Sugreev's atlas : 2

 

           Sugreev’s Atlas:2

                  India to Europe

     

 

In this blog we are going to see the world from a different view that is from the eyes of Sugriva. He was an associate of bhagwaan Ram and he did everything possible to search for Sita.

So earlier we saw sugreeva’s travel to the east from india to Andes and today we will go to the west with sugreev.

First of all, there are different versions of the world and you will be so surprised that this version from Ramayana is so accurate to the today’s version that you know if somebody thinks that the western travellers discovered the world that’s not true because we always knew that the world is interconnected via land routes. Also, the ancient civilizations of the world like the Mayan’s, Polynesian’s, Sumerian, Indian and Chinese all these were Navigators. So, it is totally rubbishing that European’s discovered the world and it is interesting that all the so-called discovery by Europeans has done in last 500 years before that they were very scary to go to the sea.

But what sugreev is describing is important because sugreev knew most of the geography of the earth as we know it today which can be confirmed from this shloka

In the second line it says prithvi mandalam, so sugreev was aware with the circular shape of earth.

which is amazing and he also known geography existed 14000 years ago because some part for which he doesn’t talk much about it there is a reason why he does not talk much about it.

Now, in the west direction Sugriva gives the leadership of that search party to a wanara name as sushena. Now there are multiple sushena in this party so we will not go in those details, it is just like we have many Abhishek and Rahul today. So sushena is the leader of the west party and how does sugreev describes it again, remember no matter which direction, sugreev always starting approximately speaking from the central india like from Narmada you can say and then he’s saying okay whether you are going in the east, west, north, south directions he starts describing somewhere from the central india so here from there he’s saying

 the saurashtran balikan Chandra chitran tathaiva cha||

so, he’s starting from saurashtran, now remember they are going from india as a centre going towards the west so saurashtra is modern day Gujarat. So that’s what they are going and he’s describing certain types of plantations like a ketuki plantation. Also, balik is northwest of saurashtra. then if you see the word here after going through the forest now remember right now there are no forest here but we talking 14000 years ago and there were forests at Ramayana times because Saraswati flows there but after the forests the mountains now at some place he is referring to maru praya, the desert ok. Which is how far wide it was we don’t know but the Rajasthan desert is very-very ancient, it might have grown bigger now. But it is always assumed it is referring to that maru praya and of course they are going in the west direction they are going to get more desert type of landscape. Now it’s come to verse 20 it’s saying now that now you will go to the land of gandharwas which is referring to kandhar or gandhar modern day Afghanistan and very interesting advice that Sugriva gives he says when you go to meet gandharwas that go through the area of gandharwas, be very cautious - be very careful. See today also we see the free spirits of Afghanistan people; you cannot disturb them unnecessarily they are very free-spirited people. This is also true 14000 years ago that is my point. He says don’t disturb them don’t go to their gardens don’t try to take fruits from their garden without their permission. you will unnecessarily waste time you will have to fight with them and it can be a tough fight.

Now let’s look at this 

So the landscape you are going to look at is approximately the way I have shown in the map. Starting with somewhere in central india through that Gujarat saurashtra area we are going to go through the southern portion of what is modern day Pakistan which was always a part of Bharat warsh. Through Baluchistan and then part of Afghanistan, Iran and remember they may go the line is shown as one but Sugriva is describing the areas around them. So, it’s not always in a perfect sequence. Also note that the landscape that is shown here is somehow incorrect

 

 because whereas the black sea is shown which actually should not be shown. But the Caspian Sea is here but right now it is not shown as a Caspian Sea and that is correct because that time the Caspian Sea was not exactly as a Caspian Sea. It was like a huge lake and black sea practically did not exists in Ramayana time. Black sea come into existence in 6^th millennium BCE (6000 years BCE) which is a strong evidence for flooding and destruction of Dwarka in the mid 6^th millennium BCE.

 

Now see the descriptions it says that when you pass through the land of gandharwas please ensure that you don’t pick a fight with them. Don’t do that as they will not like it.

And now look at the details of mountains but something else which is good to see in this picture is look at the line that all the reddish, rock-reddish apart is referring to the mountains referring to the mountain ranges and that’s amazing that what sugreev is describing. He is going to describe one after another mountain ranges

 pariyatra, vajra, chakravan, varaha, megha another mountain ranges that Ramayana describes as sixty thousand peaks. Now that could be exaggeration or whatever it is but a mountain range and then the meru or  meru savarni and it ends with the mountain known as the Asthgiri and based on the geographical descriptions and how far they are going I am asserting that, that is referring to alps the Asthgiri.

Now they are saying that as you go pashchimam shandhayam merum Uttara parvata so here the meru is slightly different than the north pole it is a meru savarni and he says that beyond that the sun sets and Sugriva is very honest to admit that I don’t know beyond that I have not gone beyond that. so, go up to that point and then come back fast. Because our time is limited that’s what he’s saying. Now, what he’s admitting below, he says

 एतावत्  वानरैः शक्यम् वानर पुंगवाः।

अभास्करम अमर्यादम न जानीमः ततः परम् ।।

 

beyond this point beyond the alps -Asthgiri I don’t know so please don’t go further you know and he’s saying as if there is no sun beyond that. That’s not exactly what he means but he says don’t bother its darkness amaryadam, unlimited area that I don’t know so come back. so, he’s very honest also about the things that he doesn’t know. That’s very important point to realize and why is that important is because when they didn’t know something, they had no problem admitting that they didn’t know. So that should give us the confidence, when even a remote one pushPak Vimana they are talking we should take their claim seriously. We don’t have to blindly accept it but we should take that claim seriously because if something they didn’t know they have no problem, they were not interested in faking things.

Also, one more thing I want to point out. We have not found it by the way but  just like, if you can recall that when we went in the east direction all the way to Peru and on the west coast  of Peru, I had described a trident like structure that is engraved into the phosphate rock and that is very nicely described in Ramayana Trishira kanchanasya ketusya……… a structure now fortunately we could find it in Peru. There is a description of a similar structure in Ramayan and it gives a specific location of it. Unfortunately, we have not found it to this day. But I think that the people living in northern Italy, Switzerland , Romania and France have a great potential to find such a structure mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana assuming that the destructive forces or by the acts of god like natural events have not destroyed it in last 14000 years. This is another structure described in the Valmiki Ramayana that we have not found is in the western direction and when the location comes, I will tell you it says

Antara meru astamcha between meru parvat and the asta parvat the Asthgiri again this is a different meru not the not pole. Now it says talo Dasha shira Mahan now instead of three shira it is made out of like 10 branches. Then says jaatrupam srimana bhajate Chitra vedika, it is a very beautiful structure something like this and also it has that Veda bhumi like a rectangle at the bottom, but we have not found it now. Now take a look to the shlokas now it mentions marubhoomi. Now marubhoomi exists there we knew it. Then you people might know that we called Hindu mahasagar and then Bay of Bengal is also known as ganga sagar and at the western coast the Arabian sea. But the interesting thing is that the Valmiki Ramayan mention the ocean on the western side of india as a Sindhu sagar. there is a word Sindhu sagar in Ramayana. So, my suggestion is the Arabian sea that we are calling no problem there that’s perfectly fine. But it was known as a Sindhu sagar 14000 years ago. Now, it says once you cross that, once you go beyond that. You are going to come to him giri. But, from geographical descriptions we know this is the mountainous area of Baluchistan. After that it says, you will come to pariatra mountain and again from the geographical descriptions this is where the descriptions of gandhar therefore I am saying that it has to be in Afghanistan area assuming that’s where the gandharwas were then. They may have a much Wider area. then beyond that it says as you keep on going keep on searching for sita although lanka is in the south he is also mentioning that please look for sita through the areas of Ravana. Which we can infer that possibly Ravana just like British had colonies or military posts just like British, French or Americans have all around the world. Also, I want to tell that the same names are mentioned in Mahabharata when Nakul goes to the west for the rajsu yagna and tax collection he also calls him giri and then he goes via ocean till yavana Desh and then madra Desh. now there is a fascinating evidence that is the city of prayagjotishpur mentioned in Ramayana in western side and the king of the ruler of the western part was Bhagadattha who also fought in the Mahabharat by kauravas side due to its close ties with Hastinapur. Now prayagjotishpur according to my suggestion is modern day Baghdad. I am not sure but it can be because if you ask any American he will pronounced it as baigdaad and in india people say simply bugdaad but you will surprise that how the Iraqis pronounced they says bhaggadaa instead of Baghdad. It can be possible that the cultural memory is still preserved in the name.

 

Now look at the end of the Caspian Sea like out from Iran area you can go towards Caspian Sea and actually you can see along that Caspian border a whole mountain range almost in a circular fashion and granted that’s I’m not saying this is the only chakravan parvat. There can be many chakravan for what we know that there are many chakravan parvat just like there are many Mahindra parvat but that is a very perfect description of it and matches with the Iranian mountain. Now another one it says

 is a varaha mountain and based on the sequential descriptions in Valmiki Ramayana it is referring to the mountains of turkey. Now, in turkey today these mountains are known as taurus mountains. A bull, instead of varaha now it changed to bull maybe but these are the taurus mountains from where the Tigris and Euphrates begin and then they come down to plain of Iraq. Now it describes a mountain range as a megha or megha vanti and the and Valmiki Ramayan describes it as like a sixty thousand peaks. And I think that these are Carpathian mountain range in Romania. A very beautiful area. So, if you can see in the picture

this whole range of mountains the Carpathian Mountains. And scholars have suggested that these were megha mountains from the descriptions like a multiple range and then it talks of another mountain meru or meru savarin because it says meru is doing tapasya there. Now, the interesting thing is that it says about a ten-branch structure dash Shira Mahan with a square at the bottom. Which we have not found it says that structure existed at least it existed at that time.

                                          

between the meru savarin range and the Asthgiri which is alps according to Ramayana, roman and the Greek records.

 

Now the question is why is he not so much talking about the land beyond the alps. He says that is where end is after that it’s a amaryadam or abhashkaram it’s dark it’s unlimited, I don’t know much about it. Don’t go there after this point quickly come back. So, the answer is found in geography only if we look at the geography of 14,000 years ago.

Whereas right now we don’t have to stop at the alps. We can go further up to Norway or Sweden but it was not as easy 14,000 years ago

 because of the ice age the area beyond alps was totally covered under the glaciers that’s why sugreev is referring alps as western extreme point.

So, his descriptions not only tell us how well he knew the geography of the earth as we know today but even his descriptions are contextual which perfectly match for what the situation was on the ground 14,000 years ago. Because we have that ice age specially engulfing the northern Europe and of course the northern part of America and that’s why he doesn’t talk much about northern part of America. But he talks a lot about the south America which we have saw in the previous blog

 

Now look at these shlokas it says prithvi mandalam, so sugreev was aware with the circular shape of earth.

 

Now in the next blog I will discuss about the north direction till Uttara Samudra which is arctic.

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