Sugriva's Atlas -1

                                  

            Bharatvarsh to Andes

Let us start with the atlas you know, we have seen all kinds of atlases and atlas is also a mythological figure in the Greek mythology, but here we are talking about Sugriva’s travels. Sugriva travels from India to Andes also once bhagwaan ram asked, how do you know? So, he said that when I was scared of vali and I was running around I had to go to all parts of the world. And that’s how I travelled and so, so bhagwaan ram put him in search of sita as well, so without delay let’s get started. Here we will talk genetics briefly on brief evidence which might be exciting to you.

Now we are going back in time more than 14000 years ago. now remember as we go back in time that’s also true for the future but the future is uncertain but as we go back in time lots of things changes from the geographical perspective geography of the earth because of the weather because of the ice ages, ocean water levels and so on and so the way perceive our earth today in terms of geography or how we can access certain parts of the world was different, different at different times. And I am going to take you to the time of Ramayana so that’s going back to 14000 years ago.

So, Sugriva’s atlas and today we are going to look at only in the one direction, okay so that’s direction is the East going from india to Andes but remember it’s not in our times it’s 14,000 years ago.

We are looking at the time of Ramayana while Valmiki was contemporary to Rama so they are talking of their own times.

If you remember the Ramayana story and if not, I am going to take just a small portion of it. “sita has been taken away by Ravan and ram-Laxman started searching for sita as they went to the south direction eventually, they end up meeting with Sugriva and hanuman and the whole Sugriva’s party after that at the behest of Sugriva Rama kills baali (Sugriva’s elder brother) okay. And then that is the time of the beginning of rainy season and therefore they decided to take a break, in the next blog I will show you the evidence as how heavy the monsoon was 14,000 years ago. So due to monsoon they took a break of 2-3 months and after that Sugriva invites his all wanara army and he divides them into four different parties and that’s what you are seeing here.

 

                   

So, we have Sugriva here discussing ram and Laxman and then the wanara say to say depicted as divided into four parties and they are sent into four different directions one party is sent with the Vinita as their leader okay, one who leads to the east directions another party is sent to the south direction which is more likely the direction where sita could be, because you know Ravana was in the south direction with respect to india but Ravana was controlling a huge empire around the world so it was not always clear where Ravana might have placed sita and that’s why they went into all four directions so this is our structure for the next four episodes.

So, in the east I’m saying what Sugriva knew, Sugriva describes the geography of 14,000 years ago now the names are of course different but with very good evidence. you know and this is not even the main objective of Valmiki Ramayana but still it is amazing what an impressive evidence is embedded into Valmiki Ramayana that we can put the dots and connect it together. Wee can actually show that Sugriva knew the world from the india as a Centre, to that perspective from in the east direction all the way from india to Andes in the west direction from India to Alps in the north India to Arctic and in the south India to Antarctica. It is a huge scope we are only going to look east direction today.

Essentially Sugriva knew most almost all the world okay and if there is any area that he does not talk much about in this description is the Area of Atlantic and north America ok, and people who study geology and climatology will aware of why he may not even talk north America much in 14,000 years ago.

 

What I am highlighting in this map is that with the exception of Atlantic portion, Sugriva from the Valmiki Ramayana descriptions knew much almost every part of the world. So let’s get into  the east direction.

Now look at this map,

This map is a paper from Harvard, David rice and team and what it is showing is that starting with india there is a statistically significant genetic signal that people can find, that we can find in our times. Based on the genetic study that takes you all the way to south America through Indonesia, Thailand, Polynesia in all the way to south America and parts of Australia so, there is a genetic evidence.

 

• Genetics data shows common genetic trail from india to south America
• archaeology data shows human presence in south America as early as 33,000 b.c
• Sugriva of Valmiki Ramayana describes the geography and mileposts from india through Peru and Chile

And this map descripts archaeological data for a human presence in Chile and Peru which goes back to 33,000 b.c and as the more and more research comes up actually these dates gets pushed back.

e.g.:  in panama we have new evidence of human presence going back to 50,000 b.c

Columbus is not the one who found America he might have find America for the western Europe but America was highly heavily populated great civilizations there ok above map from September 2020 again showing the presence of human habitation in south America so that should not be a question to any other reason I’m showing it is because it has a connection with east directions and Sugriva’s description of east direction starting with central india and ending up with Andes

 

if you look very carefully this not the map of the world as we see today in fact look at india for a second there you see that there is no Gujarat as we see today and sri Lanka is connected to india if you look at Indonesia it is a continuous land mass without any see in between and why is that I’m showing you approximately maps of 14000 years ago because the level has gone down significantly by 120 to 240 meters and so lot more land was actually available.

Sugriva is discussing right from beginning with Central India and going in the east direction through Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Papua New Guinea Polynesia all the way to South America to Andes to Chile, Ecuador to Peru also notice that between Alaska and the Eastern part of Russia actually that was perfectly connected fourteen thousand years ago.

समुद्रम् अवगाढाने च पर्वतान् पत्तनानि च।
मंदरस्य च ये कोटिन संश्रिताः फैक्तूि साश्या; ॥४- ४०-२५
कर्ण प्रावरणा: चैव तथा च पि ओष्ठ कर्णकाः।
धोर पोह मुखा: पैव जवनाः च एक पादका: ॥४-४0-7
अक्षया परपवतः च तयव पुरुष आदकाः।
किराताः तीक्ष्ण चूडा: च हेमामाः प्रिय दर्शना ।। ४.४०-२७
आज मीन अशनाः चापि किशता दूवीप वासिनः
अंतर जाप चश धीरा गारव्याघ्रा इति स्मृताः ।।४-४०-२८
गिरिभिर एतेषाम् थैच आश्रयाः जयन्त सा विचैया पपवनेन: कान च ।। किसः ४. ४०-२९।

these shloka of Ramayana, as Sugriva describes to the wanara party he’s telling them what are some of the Mile post that you should look for okay so he's telling them the mild post’s in terms of Geography in sense of rivers, mountains or sometime about the things which are available there like metals, foods, animals. I mean how beautiful, also in terms of the people like their dress sense and what not so that these wanara party know that they are going in right direction so, Sugriva is saying

 go through the mountains, go through the oceans different-different area and describing different types of people they are going to meet. like he says you will see people whose ears are elongated (they have come down) or their lips are like ears or their mouths are like Iron as if like Iron face you know like Iron colour or something like that, one foot and so on so far.

or the people who eat raw fish, people whose face looks like the Nar Viagra like a lion or like a tiger.

 

now these pictures are of our times 14000 year later Ramayana

jay Vijaya chief in Papua New Guinea

for whatever reasons, then you look at these and see how they decorate themselves ok. So, sometimes May actually see as if their lips has come all the way down to their West because of the decorations they are wearing but actually sometimes they did it.

 

 now see this lady from Indonesia,

she has elongated ear. their whole tribe has this tradition and sometimes man even doing this appendage artificial ones like wig in our time. the thing I want to mention that is, it important for people to understand that's how our wanara were when they were putting a tail that was a added appendage because it may be useful for some purpose at that time.

this man is from zoe tribe from brazil and what to do is actually the create a hole in jaws and fix a certain type of would just like tattoos in modern world.

and these are all descriptions given in Ramayana and similar things you can find in our times forget 14000 years ago we actually find these are there in our time so it should not surprise you

lips turning into ears

 these women are from Africa now remember lips turning like ear you can see those different things that they have done to their lips you know this is from our times.

 

       

descriptions of south east Asia 

let's look some other descriptions remember they are going in east direction and now they are talking of Thailand. yatnamanto yawadvipam (Java, Indonesia) and referring to seven different Kingdoms, the island of the gold (Swarna akaramanditam) ok, now describing about different metals that are found there they are also talking about different volcanic mountains, different lakes that are seen and so on.

this paper goes back to 2000 years this is the evidence from the two thousand years ok the star marks are the places where actually the gold was found. the gold mines existed. I am not talking of now but some of them exist today also and the gold went by the name where it was found. like Jambu the Suvarna dweepeer or Gold from Peru as parujam in Vedas.

 

See these pictures, even today, Indonesia population was the biggest Muslim country but you can still see whatever india has become too much secular, these are some of their emblems for each of their islands.

                                                                             Jaya Raya

 

 

Kalimantan

This one is Kalimantan and Indonesians pronounced it as Kalimantan Uttara (north Kalimantan)

 

Then Bali dweep

 

Java

And if you read the writings on the emblem you will be surprised (prasetya ulah shakti bhakti praja)

 

Now look at Indonesia’s national emblem it says (bhinneka tunggal ika) which means unity in diversity. So that culture has still survived.

 

now come to south America and Sugriva describes ok, keep on going in the east direction now you will see the Shiro dakshai oceans or Pacific Ocean and once you crosses it you are going to the area and describes a certain types of rakshasa mandeha in this case the rakshasa is used to a certain creature and that creatures call mandeha and it is said that its colour is like of a colour of a black stone. (Tatra Sheila niba) means these are frightening rakshasa called mandeha of different forms fearsome hanging down

the mountain peaks.

 

immediately comes to  mind is bats but the bats  are all over the world but most of the bats are frugivores they depend on the fruits and the nuts whereas only the blood sucking bats the vampire bat they are only in south America and that is what this is being referred to in day they keep dropping down in water at the time of sunrise everyday squashed by the heat of the sun again and again they keep hanging on to the cliffs  and there's description that they go after the animals the living beings there were many varieties of bats in past but now they have reduced but still exists in south America.

                                               See that skeleton how powerful the jaws are

Now somebody will say come on that’s not the enough evidence to show that therefore Sugriva is referring all the way to south America or to the Andes, yes this sounds like a decent evidence. but I have something else actually you can consider this as a wonderful archaeology evidence ok, a physical structure that is there

    

  

  

This is on the west coast of Peru near parakas. This is engraved into the bright coloured rocks; this is known there as a candelabra of the Andes like a candle stand.

      

Now when the Spanish people went there and they discovered the structures of course they asked the locals that do you build it? they said no we didn’t build this so they ask do you know who build this, your forefathers ? and they said no our fore fathers always said that it was always here so nobody knows who created these structures? When it was created? and why it was created? and behold a structure engraved into some phosphate of some colorful rocks on the west coast of Peru, why it was done? When it was done? And who did it we have explanation in Valmiki Ramayana. So as Sugriva is describing the end part of his direction there

 

 

On the upper face of the mountain, Trishira -three branches, kanchana-golden, savedika -Ved bhumi (like a rectangle or square) and if you look at the bottom carefully, here you can actually see the square, it says it says it is established at the bottom rectangle and he doesn’t stop there it tells you what it is? Who created it? and when it was created? and why it was created?

                                     

To established the east direction, to demarcate the east direction so this tells us that why it was created then say when it was created “kruurtham” during the krita yuga (satya yuga) now the deity for the east direction is Indra, so it was created by Indra to established the east direction during the krita yuga and after beyond this there is hemamaya like a snow-covered Udaya parvat the rise mountains or the rising mountains or the eastern mountains. So, Andes is called udaya parvata in Valmiki Ramayana .so it is very possible that the Andes is the real udaigiri parvata or udaya parvata.

Now, this is to give everyone a sense of east-west direction of Ramayan times.

 

                                                             east - west direction

                                                           

 

                                  

                                    

                                                        geography at 12,000 b.c

This map shows geography of earth 14,000 years ago, and notice what is happening at the top northern portion of Europe, Russia, Atlantic and north America is covered with glaciers, covered with ice, this is the key factor that why Sugriva not describes north America or Atlantic.   

conclusion: Sugriva had described in Valmiki Ramayana the geographical and anthropological evidences and similar descriptions starting from central India all the way to the Andes in south America.   

this was part 1 of Sugriva atlas india to Andes

the next part of Sugriva travels will in west direction from india to alps

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